AmyBeth Inverness @USNessie

@BeckyStormyLynn This is a hard one to weigh in on in just 140 characters.

  Stormy  @BeckyStormyLynn  @USNessie It just always seems strange to me. In Doctor Who there doesn’t seem to be anything sexual so it’s passable. On Twilight I can’t..

  

Stormy @BeckyStormyLynn

@USNessie …imagine Nessie and Jacob as anything more than brother/sister relationship. Anything sexual just seems skeevie to me.

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  Harper Kingsley  @HarperKingsley0  Anne McCaffrey’s Damia was a bit creepy. She married the guy that cared 4her since she was a baby.He fell in love w/her at birth @USNessie

  AmyBeth Inverness  @USNessie  @HarperKingsley0 I’ve been wanting to reread that! That was a bodyguard romance, wasn’t it? I don’t remember…

  

AmyBeth Inverness @USNessie

@HarperKingsley0 Darn… I can’t get Damia in e-format either!

  Harper Kingsley  @HarperKingsley0  @USNessie I remember reading that book and thinking “How romantic!” But I was like 12. Now I’m like “That’s weird” ^_^; lol

   AmyBeth Inverness @USNessie  @HarperKingsley0 Oh, wait… I have to re-read the Rowan first… OOH! And what about Dune? Duncan Idaho and Alia?

Harper Kingsley @HarperKingsley0@USNessie I rly liked Rowan; haven’t read it in forever. Dune: I felt so bad for Alia. She got shortchanged all over the place.

  AmyBeth Inverness @USNessie  @HarperKingsley0 Yeah… “Hey, you’re growing up. But this guy was in love with your mother, so his reawakened clone might love you…”

  Harper Kingsley  @HarperKingsley0  @USNessie Creepy! Lol. I don’t think I could ever be with anyone that was with our crushed on my mother. That’s too weird

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  AmyBeth Inverness @USNessie@AntonioAngelo21 For me, it’s the attempt to transform a caregiver/child relationship into a lover/lover relationship that creeps me out.

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  Charles Root Jr The book Hyperion by Dan Simmons, has an array of Time Travel in it, but one of the characters has knowledge of all the events in her life, so when she’s like 10 she knows the guy she is with is her husband and has all the knowledge of that relationship.

  Kevin McCullen I think (in Hyperion) that she is aging backwards, right? Her husband or father?) is taking her to the chronoliths to try and “cure her”? (I read that ages ago). I remember something about having to explain her situation to her every morning, as she gets younger and younger.

  Kevin McCullen p.s. See Merlin in The Once and Future King (aging backwards).

  Hannah Christine Rohloff I think this is less accepted in our society today as populations increase and people travel more. But this used to be a much more common situation way back when there were fewer people in social circles and not much influx of “new blood”. Young noblewomen were constantly being married off to their father’s friends who had known them since infancy.

  Hannah Christine Rohloff And if you were looking for a “good” match with wealth and power and status, you HAD to marry an older, established man.

  AmyBeth Fredricksen Mea culpa for the repeating “marry” (I corrected the typo for the blog post)Anywho… The one that actually did bother me was Heinlein… (who apparently had a daddy/daughter complex) about Lazarus, I forget which book. Lazarus, already hundreds of years old, but looking middle-aged, adopts a baby when her parents die. When she comes of age, he either fakes his death or retires, and comes back looking young again (he also faked his aging so he’d fit in with the small planetary colony) His adopted daughter is privy to this plan, because the reason he returns with a new identity as a younger man is so that he can marry her.I’m not sure how the Jacob/Renesme thing will play out… he’s bonded to her but she has 2 attentive parents. And the Doctor knew River as a baby then didn’t meet her again until she was a mature adult, so I’ve no issue with that. But I don’t like the idea of someone being a parent figure then switching the relationship to that of a lover.

  Gwendolyn Wilkins I can kind of see where you’re going there. Oddly it’s a situation I never put any thought to and upon first reading the question, no strong feelings popped in one way or the other.It *does* remind me of a strange conversation I had with a friend who was poo-poo-ing women who breast-feed their toddlers saying that breast-feeding a five year old borders on pedophilia.I didn’t agree with her so I bit my tongue and let the conversation die there.Parenting is indeed an intimate act; but there is also indeed a big difference between “parenting energies” and sexual energies. So I guess I’ll cast my vote in the camp of: yup marrying someone you raised from an infant would be weird. (and probably fall into the incest category even if there were no blood relation)

  Box O’ Munchkins I think its weird, but I can accept it better with Dr. Who than I can with the Shapechanger thing… its one of the reasons I’ve not gone to see the last movie…

  Box O’ Munchkins Having said that, I have a friend who found out that the man she wanted to have a relationship with, was just a tiny bit younger than her son… But she found that out after the fact, not before.

  Dan Bressler Yeah, Lazarus Long is one of Heinlein’s creepier characters. There’s another novel about his mom (To Sail Beyond the Sunset) that cranks the creepiness up several notches. I really like his “world as myth” postulate, but find myself kind of reluctant to go re-read those books, just because of the ick factor.

  Daniel Beard If both parties (I am assuming only two) are of age, and of sound judgement. I see no problem with it. Just look at Hef. again.

  AmyBeth Fredricksen Dan Yeah, Heinlein definitely crossed over to creeperville many times. At least with Lazarus and his mother, Lazarus was centuries old, travelling back in time. He had left childhood (and her) behind long long ago, and he was already in a group marriage. She (also well over a hundred years old) then joined the group marriage.Daniel big age differences between adults are fine. I get weirded out when the people have a parent-child relationship, and then they try to transfer the emotions to a sexual relationship. That’s not right.Heinlein did address the issue between siblings… Maureen (Laz’ mother) found out that her two youngest kids, teenagers, were having intercourse with each other. She didn’t tell them they were “naughty” but she did make sure the girl had a chance to meet some other young men, and the problem solved itself.

  Derri Herbert The Heinlen book you’re thinking of is Time Enough For Love, where he also has a relationship with his genetically engineered female twin clones…and the siblings thing was with Lazarus’s children (not Maureen’s) to a wife he watched grow up (from a baby) after saving her from a house fire…. and the siblings didn’t actually have sex, but were starting to see each other as sexual beings as they were living entirely isolated from other people (frontier situation), and the parents were relieved when a few families with similar age children arrived “just in time”… The same book also has a pair of twins who have been genetically engineered to be able to have children of their own with no genetic mutation.Time Enough For Love didn’t creep me out at all, the constant referencing to the incest taboo resulting from the possibility of genetic mutation made sense to me, as did the premise of getting the genes tested and then anyone who’s ‘clean’ being ‘fair game’.One of my favourite books.

  AmyBeth Fredricksen The thing that bothered me about the female twin clones was that they were still under their “child protection” but they were coming of age, and they insisted he officially declare them to be no longer children so they could have sex with them.And there are two or more different sets of siblings we’re thinking of… the ones I’m describing who definitely did have sibling sex were Maureen’s kids (Laz’s little brother and sister) in 20th century America. I think that book is “To Sail Beyond the Sunset” which is Maureen’s story.Oh… and this discussion took off SO well every place I put it (5 different G+ threads and here…) that it is most definitely going on the blog next Tuesday!

  Derri Herbert I’ll re-read next week, but pretty sure none of Maureen’s children have sex with each other… (this is niggling at me now). Maureen’s children were based in early 20th century where the incest taboo is still very strong, the family IS part of a programme (the Howard Trust?) to marry within other registered long-lived families with a cash bonus attached to each child born within such a marriage. The oldest daughter was about to be engaged to a suitable young man. The older boys were busy trying to earn extra money, and young Woody (Lazarus) was trying to beat anyone who would play him at chess.

  AmyBeth Fredricksen The sibling incest happened after Maureen’s husband left her for a younger woman. They had been in a happy little threesome, but the younger woman wanted the man to herself.Maureen gave him the divorce he wanted, and took half their assets, then created a life of her own. She agreed that the kids could stay with their dad (I think because the younger woman had children who were siblings to them, but I forget…)Then the two kids started having issues, and they came to live with Maureen. One night, outside her daughter’s door, she hears the unmistakable sounds, including the daughter saying “thank you” after her orgasm! Although Maureen is glad her daughter has learned to be polite and appreciative during sex, she is worried about the fact that it is an incestuous relationship. She knocks and goes in to talk with them, trying hard not to make them feel ashamed about what they’re doing, but letting them know it’s not a good idea. She then arranges to make sure her daughter has other young men in her life, and the daughter decides for herself to stop having sex with her brother because there are other guys she wants to be with.

  Derri Herbert That must all be in the other book you mention because NONE of that is in Time Enough for Love.

  Derri Herbert Maureen’s marriage was a completely happy ‘open’ marriage. For her section of the story Maureen’s husband was away with his unit in the army, not saying that doesn’t change, but not in the book Time Enough for Love.

  AmyBeth Fredricksen In Lazarus’ Book (Time Enough for Love?) it tells about him going back in time to find and later save his mother. The part I’m talking about is in “To Sail Beyond the Sunset” which concentrates on Maureen, and Lazarus is a secondary character.The marriage was happily open (even registering with the Howard families when a baby was conceived during a spouse-swap with another Howard couple) UNTIL the day that Maureen’s daughter-in-law, who had been living with them since their son (her husband) was killed in military service, decided she wanted the husband (her father-in-law) to herself. Since the younger woman could still have children and Maureen could not, he dumped Maureen. She gave him his divorce but took half their wealth with her.

  AmyBeth Fredricksen Ooops… maybe I should have said “spoiler alert?”

  Derri Herbert it’s all good – just gives me a book to hunt down…

  AmyBeth Fredricksen I’m pissed. I wanted to get it on my Nook so I’d have it instantly and could look up the exact part I’m remembering… we’re remodeling and a lot of my books are in boxes now. But it is not available electronically!

  Derri Herbert I’m waiting for Time Enough… stuck with my hard copy for now…  talk about a 1st world problem!

  Tony Young The Doctor didn’t grow up with River Song and only interacted with her as a child a few times.

  Derri Herbert He did still “know her” as a child though….

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  Jenn Kirkland  I don’t know enough about Twilight to answer the second part. As for Doctor Who, the Doctor met River first as an adult, so no, not weird. If he had met her as a baby first, that would be weird. As it is, it’s just timey wimey